Curse

Lishy · Nov 27, 2009, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Suggestion to resolve the power trading problem and lack of reward:
Why not make it so the items aren't so darn rare in the first place?
Things like a 4%, hell, 0.03% drop rate should never exist.

Arduin · Nov 27, 2009, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by thedukesd

How me as a player will feel the positive effects on nerfing SF.

It would restore a bit of faith for me in Anet. Strengthening the believe that their goal is making and maintaining an interesting game, where people actually have to think what skills and equipment they have to bring in order to achieve certain accomplishments.

Faith in that GW2 won't feature the same easy buttons we are seeing at the moment in GW, and of which Shadow Form is but one visible outgrow.

dunky_g · Nov 27, 2009, 05:05 PM // 17:05

I actually couldnt care less about SF, some people want to use it, some dont.

I use it when i want to chest run in areas that I cant with a warrior. or when i just want to run in HM without being spanked.

there is hardly anything rare in the game any more that can be gained via gameplay, e.g rare mini's/nerfed shields. I know they are adding rare minis but they will never be worth more than 300-400e after a few weeks of being released.

the game is 4 years old, the good players should already have what they wanted from this game ages ago, when some people might have actually cared about e-peen. these days every tom dick and harry have 'rare' weapons, so there is no point arguing about nerfing SF because of the drops, because at the end of the day, no one cares what weapons you have there days, every other person has fow armor, and people have had ages to work on titles.

the days of e-peen in guild wars should be dead.

QueenofDeath · Nov 27, 2009, 05:07 PM // 17:07

my epeen just dropped off.

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dunky_g · Nov 27, 2009, 05:09 PM // 17:09

wicked.

mine just grew.

moriz · Nov 27, 2009, 05:13 PM // 17:13

i'm constantly curious as to why people still choose to grind for anything in this game. this is anet we're talking about here. all your achievements in the HoM will likely get you a nice skinned weapon, or maybe some extra line of dialogue. if you are lucky, you might get a nice suit of armor. but since this is anet, all that initial advantage will disappear as the game progresses, since equipment in GW2. will most probably have the same easily reachable maximum as in GW1.

if grinding for achievements is the only thing left for you to do in this game, you should just stop playing for a while. you most certainly won't gain much of an reward in the next game.

l Alucard l · Nov 27, 2009, 05:18 PM // 17:18

its so funny seeing so many people cry over a video game its really pathetic. the only part of gw that needs to be maintained (skill balance) is pvp. pve is pve. stop crying

Blobbob · Nov 27, 2009, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by moriz

i'm constantly curious as to why people still choose to grind for anything in this game. this is anet we're talking about here. all your achievements in the HoM will likely get you a nice skinned weapon, or maybe some extra line of dialogue. if you are lucky, you might get a nice suit of armor. but since this is anet, all that initial advantage will disappear as the game progresses, since equipment in GW2. will most probably have the same easily reachable maximum as in GW1.

This is what I'm wondering too. None of the "grind" in this game is needed, it's all pure vanity. If a new skin or mini aren't worth the time then don't bother, you're not going to fall "behind the curve" or anything. The absolute most I can see Anet ever giving us for our HoM stuff in GW2 is allowing us to carry over skins and titles that may or may not end up being exclusive to HoM rewards. Neat but no more gamebreaking than it is currently.

I hate how almost all of the Obsidian sets look, so I don't bother farming ectoplasms. Surprisingly enough, I can still play the game just fine without them. UW is a lot more enjoyable when I only go there to experience the area, not to farm a million times to I can buy a shinny new sword to go with my collection of fifty other swords I bought through UW farming.

thedukesd · Nov 27, 2009, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by dunky_g

the game is 4 years old, the good players should already have what they wanted from this game ages ago, when some people might have actually cared about e-peen. these days every tom dick and harry have 'rare' weapons, so there is no point arguing about nerfing SF because of the drops, because at the end of the day, no one cares what weapons you have there days, every other person has fow armor, and people have had ages to work on titles.

Not all the players are 4 years old.

Deakon · Nov 27, 2009, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by moriz

if grinding for achievements is the only thing left for you to do in this game, you should just stop playing for a while. you most certainly won't gain much of an reward in the next game.

Unless of course you want to grind for achievements.

Zahr Dalsk · Nov 27, 2009, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by thedukesd

Not all the players are 4 years old.

Not that you'd realize it, when playing with them.

Malice Black · Nov 27, 2009, 06:10 PM // 18:10

SF just means threads like this to laugh at really. Was the same with Ursan etc

After trawling through the cesspit with my ban hammer, a good laugh is required. Riverside has many of those.

Keep it, nerf it, all the same to me. I have everything I need, now I just gear up all the heroes I never bothered with.

BlackSephir · Nov 27, 2009, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Mustache Mayhem

these guys complaining about sf are just hating on the fact they fail..

Good to know, I never had any desire to SC anything, be it with SF or without it and I think SF is p broken mechanic, but hey, I guess I just fail at it.
Mind boggles when I read shit like this.

Blobbob · Nov 27, 2009, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Deakon

Unless of course you want to grind for achievements.

In which case they shouldn't be complaining that the only thing keeping them playing the game takes some time.

Tenebrae · Nov 27, 2009, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by thedukesd

What will be the positive effect on nerfing SF for players?

I see a lot of negative effects and no real positive effect.
Some negative efect:
- prices will go higher cause the other farming ways are not so fast and easy to do it
- more people will buy chars/gold/items from gold sites
- some people will leave

Yeah and the sky will fall down , rain will be acid and mutations will happen all over the earth. You are saying same sht ppl said about UB and no , it wont happen.

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Originally Posted by thedukesd

It's a myth.

LoL , what an irony , you just answered yourself .

Golgotha · Nov 27, 2009, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Nerf SF.
Buff another skill or skills.
6 months later nerf those.
Buff other skills.
etc..

It's a good way to sell campaigns, I guess.

Jk)Phoenix · Nov 27, 2009, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

Suggestion to resolve the power trading problem and lack of reward:
Why not make it so the items aren't so darn rare in the first place?
Things like a 4%, hell, 0.03% drop rate should never exist.

/agree

12chars

FyrFytr998 · Nov 27, 2009, 10:30 PM // 22:30

I'm man enough to admit that the counterpoint to my "real life" point is just as valid. Which is why I still ask. Other than vanity. Why do people care so much about how other people go about playing a game? I mean really? How is some SF'er in New York really impacting a "traditional" player in California? Two different players. Two different instances in UW. With possibly the same outcome other than time to complete if the traditional player is good.

I saw this same kinda stuff happen when I used to play MtG. I had my decks for "Fun", but I also had my decks to "Win". And there were always those players that walked around all pissy because I spanked their "original" concoctions with a "netdeck". So they were mad because I used a winning strategy instead of "being original"? Whatever. That's why they were always the ones bounced out the tournaments first. Go be original with the other losers.

It's still all moot. The hammer is coming. I could care less really. I'm neither for or against SF and speed clears. Those players that abuse it don't bother me in the least.

Goddess Survivor · Nov 28, 2009, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by l Alucard l

Lets be real here,

Those complaining about SF

A. Suck and can't do it
B. Too lazy to make a sin
C. Just like to QQ
D. All of the above

Honestly if you dont like SF DONT PLAY IT! And if you have a perma and still want it nerfed ur either a liar or you suck at it.

Keep SF, if you dont use it then dont use it. QQ over a video game with an imaginary economy moar plz

exactly...all i have to respond, because you noobs just cry over it, no one forces u to use it, so get over it.

moriz · Nov 28, 2009, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by Goddess Survivor

exactly...all i have to respond, because you noobs just cry over it, no one forces u to use it, so get over it.

you'd have a point if SF is actually hard to use. too bad it isn't, so your comment is utter bullshit.

i don't care about farming in general, but i object SF out of principle: no online RPG, especially one that tries to market itself as a skill>time played, balanced RPG, should have a godmode build. for this reason alone, SF needs to disappear, simple as that.

but hey, if you are really as pro-uber-leet as you make yourself out to be, then go and find the next overpowered farm build. if you really are that good, not having SF won't matter to you.